Warren Cuccurullo: From Joe’s Garage To Missing Persons

By Bob Grossweiner
Guitar World, Mar 1983

 

Cover Headline: “Zappa’s Ex Coo Coo”; Contents Blurb: “You feared Frank Zappa’s lead guitar player had disappeared? Then who’s this? Same face, name and style – only the band is quite different.

Missing Persons is no longer an unknown entity in the rock sweepstakes. Its initial independently released seven-inch EP had "Destination Unknown" top the airplay lists in Boston and New York, while "Mental Hopscotch" went to the top of the charts in Los Angeles. Then Capitol Records signed the quintet, changed one track, and released an eponymous twelve-inch EP that sold more than 200,000 copies, the most ever for a debut EP from a new group. And now with its first full album, Spring Session M, Missing Persons becomes one of the few break-out groups of 1982.

Four of the five members (guitarist Warren Cuccurullo; vocalist Dale Bozzio, drummer and keyboardist Terry Bozzio and synthesist/bassist Patrick O’Hearn) previously played with Frank Zappa -- although not at the same time. Cuccurullo was on Joe’s Garage (all three volumes), Tinsel Town Rebellion, Shut U’ ‘N Play Your Guitar Some More, and Return of the Son Of Shut Up ‘N Play Your Guitar.

"I was really a great fan of Zappa’s," says Cuccurullo, twenty-six, who was born in Brooklyn and later moved to California when he auditioned for Zappa. "I first heard him around 1969-’70, at the time of Hot Rats. I was pretty young then, but I was interested in the sound of the guitar player. He reminded me of Eastern music -- Ravi Shankar. I always liked that music. I bought all of his records, and when Overnight Sensation came out, I couldn’t believe the stuff he was doing on record. That’s when I started to go see him play all the time -- fourteen or fifteen shows a tour. I got to meet him in ‘76 when Terry Bozzio was his drummer. I played some tapes for him that I made with my brother, a drummer, in our basement. I wrote a vamp and played solos over it -- a lot of spontaneous jamming -- and he liked them."

Two years later, Cuccurullo played Zappa another tape, and Zappa said, "You’re ready for this band."

"I thought I would have a few months to practice," remembers Cuccurullo, "since he was going to Europe on tour. I was hoping to practice my reading and playing when a few nights later Frank called and asked me to come to Los Angeles the next morning to audition. So I had no time to practice. I passed the audition and went to Europe two weeks later.

Warren was a green kid when Zappa found him. "Zappa picked me up from Canarsie, from Brooklyn, and threw me into the world of rock," Cuccurullo states. "I was never in the studio before. I was instantly part of an eleven piece band with four guitarists. I was immediately exposed to his empire, seeing all of his equipment and how he ran things on the business side. We practiced. I made myself ready for the road. I made sure I was in perfect health. I didn’t drink or eat any bad foods. I had my vitamins. One of the things Zappa noticed about me is how I fit into his band -- the amount of enthusiasm toward his music that I had. That’s something he always looks for in a musician, besides technical capabilities. I was into everything he’d ever done! I knew all the parts and even the different arrangements, live and studio. I was well versed in his music and fit right in. I really enjoyed playing with frank because he’s a very friendly, down-to-earth guy once you get to know him. This breaks the barrier of what some people might see in him. I never had any strange conceptions about him, but a lot of people do."

On the one European tour Warren made, Frank Zappa was basically churning out his hits, but with some improvisation. "Frank called it the human jukebox," Cuccurullo laughs. "We played the four most popular songs from each album, segueing one into another. The kids loved it. I had a few solos, and we did some jamming." (Hear it on Shut Up ‘N Play Yer Guitar, etc).

"I could actually feel what Frank was playing when I listened to him," he continues. "I could just hear it and play it. A lot of times he would sing me lines, and then I would play them. I was really in tune with what he was playing. But, then again, I could do different things that were more me, and I could play those lines without even thinking of Frank because I was thinking the same way as him. What I learned was that I shouldn’t sound too much like him, because I was prone to playing like him. He lays everything on the line: ‘here are the parts and you have to play everything right.’ He likes people who learn fast. He draws things form you, you try to pick ‘em up as fast as possible, Usually it’s instant."

Zappa’s old policy was to hire musicians for one whole year. After the European tour, Zappa and Cuccurullo recorded Joe’s Garage and Tinsel Town Rebellion, but then, uncharacteristically, Frank decided not to go back on the road. While still drawing his last few months of pay, Cuccurullo hung out with the Bozzios in Los Angeles (Zappa had discovered Dale Bozzio’s voice and featured her on Joe’s Garage."

People always used to see us around town, Warren says about their threesome. The three loved to dress outrageously. "They thought we were a band. So we thought we should become a band. After a week of playing together, Frank called me and said he wanted to tour again. I was completely torn up and didn’t know which way to go. Because I was really involved with Terry and Dale and felt good about it. Since I hadn’t toured with Frank that much, I was thinking of doing this tour and coming back to Terry and Dale. I went to one last rehearsal with them, and then I realized that there was no way I could stop playing with them. I went to see Frank, and I was in really in a bad state at the time. I knew that playing with Terry and Dale is what I wanted to do, however long it took. We thought it would only take a couple of months. It took Missing Persons over two years to break out. I explained it to Frank, who said it was going to be real hard, and he wished me all the luck in the world."

Cuccurullo had no problems adjusting to studio recording with Missing Persons because of what he learned from Zappa, who basically tells his sidemen what to do and then sets up the sounds. "I like to be subtle, not too overpowering with a lot of things going on," he stresses about his style. "I’m a modern rock guitar player who thinks compositionally.

"I design the sounds myself," explains Warren, "and all the parts are worked out in a rehearsal hall. Then we perform them live before recording them. I don’t know how much longer we can do this, due to our schedule." The band does not record live in the studio; they lay down drums first, then bass, followed by keyboards, guitars, and vocals. Cuccurullo considers Ken Scott (of David Bowie, Supertramp, Jeff Beck, the Tubes) the ultimate producer.

About his ax, as well as his career, Warren Cuccurullo has ideas of his own. "It’s a solid piece of maple to get the amount of high end sound, a rich sound, that I wanted. The neck was copied from the 335, and it has an ebony fingerboard and all gold hardware. It was made by Performance Guitar in Hollywood." Cuccurullo’s custom made guitar is compact but fully loaded, with three pickups. "I wanted humbuckers," he mentions, "but I wanted to cut out the coils to get a metallic single coil sound like the Vox. They’re all Seymour Duncan pickups- the middle one is a stacked Strat, the bridge is a custom, and the treble is a humbucker. I have a master Volume and three separate tone controls for each pickup.

"I have a five position switch to get out-of-phase sounds like on a Stratocaster. I have a coil cancellation switch so that I can cut the coil out on the rhythm pickup, to get a single coil sound and to use that in combination with the middle pickup. The pan pot, which goes from clean to dirty, like on the Vox, has two knobs in front of the guitar. I put the dirty full up and the clean I leave down. They can both overdrive, but they’re different pots -- the clean channel has a less powerful pot than the dirty one. I have a switch that clips the fuzz sound on the dirty channel so you get a sine wave sound or a real heavy, thick jazz sound. I also have a parametric equalizer -- one band of the parametric is in the guitar, which I can switch in and out. I also have a boost in there, which is like a wah-wah pedal in the guitar. I can pinpoint frequencies. On my 335, I used to bend the strings --I never used the whammy bar -- between the bridge and tail piece. So, on my new guitar, I have about three inches of string that I can bend up and simulate whammy bar techniques and do other things because it bends up. This guitar has every possible sound! I can get the ultimate power chord with the parametric -- it brings it up 20 db’s. It takes two four-volt batteries, which have to be changed every three sets."

His other instruments include a ‘56 Les Paul Special, a ‘62 Stratocaster with electronics in it, a yellow SG that is also active with electronics and fuzz, and a sitar given him by Zappa. He considers the Gibson 335 as the first really good guitar he played, but too big for his five foot, seven and a half inch frame. He put a pre-amp in his Vox and started working with active electronics. "I had a pan control," he reminisces, "and I could go from clean to dirty. It took me about a year to learn how to play it, because the body was so small. I had to change my picking to pick on it, plus the neck was too heavy because the guitar was so tiny."

Cuccurullo uses Maxima Gold Strings from Germany -- they are not very popular in the States, possibly because of their expense. "They last a long time," he notes, "and hold the sound really well. You can bend them up a fifth. They stay in tune well, and the sustain is great. I also like them because they look nice. I rarely ever change guitars on stage unless I break a string."

He has Marshall Cabinets with Mesa Boogie Mark IV 100 watt tops. "Patrick O’Hearn is using Carvin equipment," he offers, "and I’m interested in trying it. I’m happy with my present amplification, but my main problem is that my Marshall cabinets are very distorted and peak bout 40 feet out in the audience. If the sound man is on the guitar side, he has a lot of trouble. I’m trying to bring down my stage sound and maybe have a monitor facing me without drowning out Dale’s vocals."

For special effects, Cuccurullo has a dinosaur pedal board which contains two A/DA flangers, super fuzz and a fuzz face with the super fuzz having a switch to change the fuzz, a Phase MXR 100, Morley Echo Volume Pedal, a Morley Wah Wah Volume Control, and a strobe tuner with boot scanner. He also has a mute switch so that he can tune up between songs without sound.

"I really want to be different and to design sound," Warren beams. "I want to go in another direction than I’m in now. I want to be able to combine sound digitally and then call on them. It would be much easier because with the pedal board that I have now, I can’t really combine the sounds. Maybe I can use two sounds now, but I really want to be able to make a sound by combining different sounds. I like to use a lot of different techniques."